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anyway i'm doug richards and uh i'm with

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atlantic university in virginia beach

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which is a trans-personal psychology

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program but this actually has more to do

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with my uh my other work which is in

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radio communication and how that might

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have an implication for anomalies

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research so it's called weak signal

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propagation reporter which is pronounced

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whisper

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implications for anomalies research and

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what you're seeing there on the screen

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is an example of where my signal can be

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heard with a tiny signal all over the

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world

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so what is weak signal propagation

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reporter whisper

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it's a signal processing algorithm for

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extremely weak radio signals and there

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are hundreds of stations worldwide

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uploading to the whispernet database

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so what you're seeing there is i am

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located move my

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little arrow maybe you can see that

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over here on the east coast in virginia

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beach and

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with a very tiny signal

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about as powerful as a little flashlight

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i can be heard in australia alaska

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hawaii south africa europe uh all over

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the world

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and what i'm going to talk about is how

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so

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why is it relevant to anomalies research

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well much anomalies research also tries

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to detect very weak signals

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all psy research seems to have a very

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weak phenomena the global consciousness

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project again very uh weak effects on

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random number generators and then there

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are some interesting geomagnetic field

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effects both on things like psy and on

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other kinds of uh human behaviors

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then we can use whisper either can apply

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it directly to studies of the effects of

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the geomagnetic field and ionospheric

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resonances on biological systems so

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again that would be things like sci

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but also we heard earlier in some talks

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today uh heart rate variability is a

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very interesting thing to look at in

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terms of consciousness

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and so whisper can be used to measure

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what's going on in the geomagnetic field

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and these resonances and that could be

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then used to correlate with things like

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side performance and heart rate

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variability

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and it can also provide a very useful

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methodological comparison to other

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studies of weak signals

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so for example what's the best way to

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analyze synchronization of global

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consciousness detected by random number

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generators and so some of the things

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that have been done to detect these very

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weak signals with whisper have potential

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applications for all of this other work

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quick slide on how radio signals

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propagate in case you don't know

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i have a transmitter there and a

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receiver and the earth and basically

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radio signals go around the earth

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by bouncing off the ionosphere an upper

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layer a couple hundred miles up in the

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atmosphere and solar radiation affects

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the ionosphere that's what produces

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geomagnetic storms and it changes radio

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psi functioning so there have been

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studies looking at geomagnetic storms in

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their relation to sci functioning and

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also various other aspects of human

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the whole question of geomagnetic

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effects on humans is a very hot area of

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research both in anomalies and the

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conventional research and so being able

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to measure what radio signals are doing

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can sometimes serve as a proxy for

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figuring out what's going on with the

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now how does whisper work well the

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challenge again is that you have very

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low and uncontrollable signal-to-noise

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in contrast to say lab experiments where

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you can very precisely control snr's

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where they can be controlled or very

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high but this is very similar to issues

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in psi experiments we have again very

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poor signals noise ratios

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and so you need a way to deal with that

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the solution as far as radio goes was

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this thing called whisper developed by a

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physicist named joe taylor at princeton

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university

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and it uses a form of coding called

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forward error correction and some other

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signal processing techniques

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to make possible decoding of signals uh

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31 decibels below the noise level which

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is way way below the noise level my

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system if you listen to it on the air

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it uses the ham radio bands with ham

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radio stations around the world

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transmitting and receiving signals and

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then uploading spots of received signals

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to whisper net on the internet

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affect radio propagation but they also

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affect human behavior and rhythms

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including cyan health

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and one of the nice things about whisper

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is it's making measurements constantly

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you can actually make measurements every

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fine-grained measurements than what's

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been used in the past which are things

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called the k index and the a index i

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are but there are way they are ways of

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measuring geomagnetic variability but

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very small number of stations around the

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earth whereas whisper is capable

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again of looking at things every two

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minutes if you want to use it that way

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there are hundreds of stations all over

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so how do i do whisper well i'm a ham

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radio operator my call sign is kn for

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nbi maybe some other folks or ham radio

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operators

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and what i do is using my radio i send

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out a signal once every 10 minutes

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that's received all over the world

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uploads a report to an internet site

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called whispernet again this is hundreds

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of people all over the world and this is

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all automated and then anyone can

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download and analyze the data for me or

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day to have a look at it but any of you

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just type in my call sign and you can

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now here's an example of some of the

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nv4nv is being listened to by me kn4mbi

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noise this station is actually located

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weak signals and there's a lot of noise

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in there so that's most of those green

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finer grain than looking at some things

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very unreliable well not necessarily any

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here you can also use whisper

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measurements as an analogy to sci

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decidify the laws of physics and is

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the inverse square law because psi does

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you on the next slide but my 100

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milliwatt signal which is less than your

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because whisper can decode at 31

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ratio way way buried down on the noise

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and then even out in the canary islands

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and even way out in hawaii 8 000

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kilometers away there's a signal that's

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only 10 decibels down

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and so

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again no

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obvious dependence on distance at all

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here again very typical of psi results

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but it doesn't require there to be any

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uh

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strange quantum non-local effects this

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is what you see in radio too so the

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people that criticize

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parapsychology because the results uh

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do not seem to

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be affected by distance that's very

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typical in radio also notice the wide

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scatter of points that what's happening

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here

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is that you've got

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stations wire

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varying widely in how well they're

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received

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now we still have issues with applying

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whisper directly to psi experiments uh

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inside research you don't have a way to

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quantitatively specify the signal level

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or the noise level but from my previous

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slide you can see that the inverse

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square law is completely irrelevant

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that what we need to talk about is

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things to noise ratio

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in some models of psi psi is not quote a

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signal but you can still apply the

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concept of signal-to-noise ratio

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and you can't really apply the whisper

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algorithm directly because it depends on

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time synchronization which is not

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possible in psi experiments

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but whisper and its relatives are open

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source software and could potentially be

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modified specifically as an error

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correcting code for psi

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experiments and whisker can be used to

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measure physical variables relevant to

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science experiments and other studies

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studies of other anomalies so i'll show

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so

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as i mentioned whisper may be

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more sensitive than standard indices

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like the a and k and

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aaa indexes

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for measuring geomagnetic disturbances

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and so

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i'll jump to the next slide here which

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is just an expansion of the little

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picture there on the bottom

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here a geomagnetic storm was predicted

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by uh the the nasa folks who were

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looking at uh solar activity

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but when it actually came to the date

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that it was predicted for a couple days

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earlier

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in the what's called the ap index no

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storm appeared at all it was a fizzle

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however

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in the reception of my radio signal the

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storm arrived exactly when it was

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supposed to and showed a very strong

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effect again showing that whisper may be

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a far better fine-grained measurement of

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what's going on in geomagnetic variables

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than the standard indices that you pick

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up uh

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from

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uh this is just a slide on chewing resin

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since i'm running a little bit out of

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time so you don't know what a human

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resonance is it's just another uh

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measurement of um

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electromagnetic effects and in

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particular people are interested in it

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because the first threat frequency is

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right about near the alpha brainwave

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frequency so it's been of great interest

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to some people looking at the effect of

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geomagnetic fields on human

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and one of the groups that's done a lot

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of this is the heart math institute

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group they've prevented presented at ssc

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meetings in the past

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and

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i found some strong relationships with

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relationships with geomagnetic measures

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and human physiology

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and whisper could offer an additional

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measure with finer temporal and spatial

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resolution and that's just a picture on

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the right of a large number of measures

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that they were using and certainly could

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add whisper to that those kinds of

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measures

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uh krittner and persinger quite a while

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back uh we're looking at some of the old

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dream telepathy studies that were done

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at maimonides

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and found that decreased geomagnetic

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activity was

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correlated with high scoring in psi

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experiments again whisper might offer an

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additional measure with finer temporal

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and spatial resolution to look at these

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and finally

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this could be used to study other

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anomalies anything where geomagnetic or

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astronomical variables might be relevant

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so we've had no talks at this meeting

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yet on astrology but whisper might be

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helpful in measuring subtle solar and

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lunar and planetary effects on

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biological systems by looking at the

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effects on geomagnetic fields

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and then another interesting one is ufo

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experiences

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one of the types of measures that people

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have been taking is that of local

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geomagnetic disturbances and whisper is

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pretty good for looking at those

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in terms of their effects on radio

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and that's it

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could whisper be used to explore

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anomalous healing

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um again it can be used for anything

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where you want to look at propagation

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geomagnetic type effects in terms of

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what it's used for directly it measures

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radio propagation although as i said for

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some kinds of experiments like psi

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experiments the uh

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source code is all open source and i

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know people have modified it for a lot

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of uh other applications where you're

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looking at very very noisy situations uh

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and uh

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and signals but as far as healing if you

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wanted to know what is going on right

430
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now in the geomagnetic field and

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propagation around wherever the healing

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is going on it could be a useful uh kind

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of thing to use to measure

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okay um

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another question what are your thoughts

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about the relationship between whisper

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sci and stochastic resonance might there

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be types of geomagnetic noise that might

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boost the propagation of a positive size

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signal

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well what i

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what i found interesting just in terms

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of radio signals is the the classic

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thing that ham radio operators are told

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is that when you've got geomagnetic

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storms it inhibits

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radio propagation and that was also the

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result they came up with with some of

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the psy experiments but what i've found

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is that that's not entirely true and

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sometimes geomagnetic storms greatly

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enhance radio propagation and this is

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all on very very short-term basis so you

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may have a situation where for 15

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minutes just have extraordinary

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propagation and then it goes away so

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again the the idea of whisper is you can

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look at it in very fine grain uh

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measurements

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most people do it every 10 minutes to

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just not clog the radio waves but the

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system can actually do it every two

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minutes so you can be looking at

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small changes when you're looking at

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other kinds of resonances psi heart rate

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variability anything you might want to

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okay eli thinks that's an excellent

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response good job great

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i'm happy

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so um here's a question from stephen

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hall who

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really appreciated your discussion

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he says

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all about em radiation local but psi is

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often thought of as non-local

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propagation

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and in a sense this is actually a

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question i had what's your position

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on the actual ontology of the size

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signal as opposed to

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you know the normal subject matter for

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whisper

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well i really have no idea in terms of

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the size signal and one of the problems

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is that i think that

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people make assumptions and one of the

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assumptions is that psi is not distance

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dependent and the idea was that as i

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mentioned before that uh the physical

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signals are distance dependent by the

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inverse square law and i think i've

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shown here that's not really true uh it

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is for forces but for information and

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signals uh

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that relationship is not at all clear it

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depends on lots and lots of things for

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ordinary em signals and we have no idea

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what psi is and so suddenly saying it's

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got to be non-local because you don't

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get some nice inverse square

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relationship

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um probably isn't true now

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how far it goes

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i don't know unfortunately very few

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really really long distance psi

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experiments have been done

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even mitchell's experiment going to the

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moon

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uh one of the things that

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this set of software not just whisper

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but some other programs are used for is

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moon bounce communication where a ham

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radio operator and say virginia beach

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will bounce a signal off the moon and

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it'll go to california and the same

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basic software is used to do moon bounce

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and so coming up with a distance

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long enough to show that it has to be

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non-local is an experiment that's never

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been done i'd be very interested to see

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what they get if they ever can manage to

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yeah

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so actually there have been a number of

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remote viewing

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uh experiments if you will

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long distance but the feedback on that's

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really hard you know the verification is

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really hard so

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who knows um

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but here's the feedback for the remote

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viewing experiments

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if let's say you do a remote viewing

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experiment to mars and you see in remote

534
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viewing the same sorts of things that

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the mars rovers are picking up well the

536
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way you know that is because they sent

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back a radio signal and the way we can

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read the radio signals is by processing

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very much like this done on the radio

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signals so you do run into an

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interesting feedback problem that any

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feedback we can get inevitably used by

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radio signals even for really long

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remote viewing

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yeah that's true um although

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in well we won't get into that

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discussion because there's other

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questions um so you may have actually

549
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answered this um

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let me think it's this

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okay here we go so deb wants to know

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have you run a psy experiment with

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whisper and compared the data i think

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you essentially said you haven't but if

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you want to elaborate on that

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um i haven't run any psi experiments one

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of the reasons is

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that when kovet struck what i did is i

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started an ongoing 24 hour a day whisper

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experiment that didn't require me to

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leave my house

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and so i think this is a great

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opportunity to work with something right

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now to leave my house it would be

565
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it would be very interesting to use this

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but i've not used it for that

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application instead i've been collecting

568
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a lot of whisper data and learning a lot

569
00:19:54,470 --> 00:19:52,640
about radio propagation for the last

570
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year and a half or so

571
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which is why i'm offering this out to

572
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the community is here's something cool

573
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,559
to look at

574
00:20:01,590 --> 00:19:59,919
and maybe some people will think of some

575
00:20:04,549 --> 00:20:01,600
good experiments

576
00:20:06,710 --> 00:20:04,559
okay cool so eli has another question he

577
00:20:08,630 --> 00:20:06,720
was wondering if you'd mention the lunar

578
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,640
sci experiment

579
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:10,400
uh you did mention of course you've

580
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:11,600
really thought this through very

581
00:20:14,710 --> 00:20:12,720
intriguing

582
00:20:16,310 --> 00:20:14,720
um i i guess what he probably is looking

583
00:20:18,710 --> 00:20:16,320
for is maybe a brief description of what

584
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,720
edgar mitchell did with that

585
00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:20,320
i don't remember all the details of what

586
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,840
he did but basically he had an

587
00:20:25,669 --> 00:20:24,240
experiment when he was a good way away

588
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from the earth far

589
00:20:29,750 --> 00:20:27,520
further than anyone could obviously get

590
00:20:31,590 --> 00:20:29,760
on earth he did a science experiment and

591
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,600
as i recall from uh from reading it was

592
00:20:35,430 --> 00:20:33,679
quite a while ago it was a successful

593
00:20:37,430 --> 00:20:35,440
psy experiment now one of the

594
00:20:38,230 --> 00:20:37,440
difficulties of all this is the feedback

595
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,240
issue

596
00:20:42,549 --> 00:20:40,480
because uh what's been brought up i even

597
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:42,559
think in one talk at this meeting

598
00:20:45,830 --> 00:20:44,080
is what you may be doing is using

599
00:20:47,830 --> 00:20:45,840
precognition on your own future

600
00:20:49,990 --> 00:20:47,840
experiences and so if he got any

601
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,000
feedback at all then it's an interesting

602
00:20:54,789 --> 00:20:52,400
question was it long distance or was it

603
00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,799
seeing the future and so i'm not sure

604
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,240
i'd have to look back at that experiment

605
00:21:00,149 --> 00:20:58,559
to see in terms of do we really know

606
00:21:02,630 --> 00:21:00,159
what's going on this often seems to be

607
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,640
the case in a lot of psy experiments

608
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,760
is

609
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,360
we're not quite sure what's going on in

610
00:21:08,950 --> 00:21:06,880
terms of is this

611
00:21:11,110 --> 00:21:08,960
um remote viewing

612
00:21:13,190 --> 00:21:11,120
in space or in time

613
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,200
uh i don't know

614
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:15,120
yeah or both there's an ongoing debate

615
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,799
about that and i have a have one

616
00:21:20,630 --> 00:21:18,799
position that it's both

617
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:20,640
other people are very determined to

618
00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:22,240
believe that it's just precognition i

619
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,600
think there's reasons not to believe

620
00:21:27,909 --> 00:21:26,000
that but but nonetheless i have to

621
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:27,919
apologize for eli that was not meant as

622
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:29,520
a question as meant just as a comment

623
00:21:34,230 --> 00:21:31,679
but that's okay we've got some more

624
00:21:37,029 --> 00:21:34,240
information out of it michael wants uh

625
00:21:39,669 --> 00:21:37,039
let me see yep this is a question so he

626
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,679
mentions uh shoshone shaman talking

627
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,280
about electronic pollution and having to

628
00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:42,960
find places that block it to do some of

629
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:45,360
the activity does this have anything to

630
00:21:47,909 --> 00:21:46,960
do with what you're finding he wants to

631
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:47,919
know

632
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,360
well there's electronic pollution all

633
00:21:53,590 --> 00:21:51,200
over the place in fact i'd advise people

634
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,600
move to green bank west virginia that's

635
00:21:56,390 --> 00:21:55,360
the national radio quiet zone where

636
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:56,400
you're not allowed to have anything

637
00:22:00,390 --> 00:21:58,640
because of the big radio telescopes but

638
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,400
the interference problem here at my

639
00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,640
house is just humongous and it's things

640
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,320
that ham radio operators are just very

641
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:06,400
upset about there's a plasma tv in my

642
00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:07,600
neighborhood whenever this guy is

643
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:09,679
watching primetime shows it just blocks

644
00:22:16,310 --> 00:22:12,960
out everything um but power supplies all

645
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,320
those little wall warts uh wi-fi uh it's

646
00:22:20,149 --> 00:22:18,400
just become horrendous for uh for ham

647
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,159
radio operators in terms of the

648
00:22:23,830 --> 00:22:22,320
increasing noise level out there now

649
00:22:25,750 --> 00:22:23,840
what effect that has on human health i

650
00:22:28,390 --> 00:22:25,760
don't know but it's sure

651
00:22:30,390 --> 00:22:28,400
interferes with radio

652
00:22:31,990 --> 00:22:30,400
so just a comment from the early remote

653
00:22:34,230 --> 00:22:32,000
viewing research it kind of goes to this

654
00:22:36,710 --> 00:22:34,240
question um

655
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,720
when the viewers did work when they were

656
00:22:41,510 --> 00:22:39,679
with inside a faraday cage or

657
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:41,520
very famously in steven schwartz's deep

658
00:22:45,350 --> 00:22:43,600
quest experiment they reported that

659
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:45,360
remote viewing was easier in the

660
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:47,200
shielded environments

661
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:48,000
so

662
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,799
that may again we're talking a small

663
00:22:55,510 --> 00:22:52,559
sample size but

664
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,520
that may be an indicator of uh

665
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,600
the effect that electromagnetic

666
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,200
pollution has on

667
00:23:03,990 --> 00:23:02,400
on psi uh experiences and such but it'd

668
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:04,000
be interesting experiment to run a bunch

669
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:04,880
of

670
00:23:09,270 --> 00:23:07,120
sessions inside a faraday cage and

671
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,280
outside of it and see what happened and

672
00:23:12,470 --> 00:23:11,039
oh yeah and again it certainly messes up

673
00:23:13,909 --> 00:23:12,480
radio i know a lot of people worry about

674
00:23:15,830 --> 00:23:13,919
this and i don't know

675
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:15,840
one of the things in my house

676
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:17,440
the variable speed motor on my air

677
00:23:21,909 --> 00:23:19,760
conditioner um kicks in about 10

678
00:23:23,270 --> 00:23:21,919
decibels of extra noise whenever it

679
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,280
switches on

680
00:23:28,390 --> 00:23:25,919
again the plasma tv in the neighborhood

681
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:28,400
getting too near the wi-fi uh

682
00:23:32,070 --> 00:23:30,880
it's well worth studying for sci and for

683
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:32,080
health reasons

684
00:23:35,110 --> 00:23:33,600
so does your family complain when you

685
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:35,120
turn off the air conditioner so you can

686
00:23:39,270 --> 00:23:37,520
communicate on your radio

687
00:23:41,669 --> 00:23:39,280
actually what they complain about is my

688
00:23:43,190 --> 00:23:41,679
radio comes over the telephone line

689
00:23:45,029 --> 00:23:43,200
oh so you're providing interference

690
00:23:47,110 --> 00:23:45,039
yourself okay

691
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:47,120
all right luckily only in the house but

692
00:23:54,149 --> 00:23:51,440
of course it's a radio signal so so um

693
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:54,159
tamara says uh she thought that your use

694
00:23:58,870 --> 00:23:57,039
of coveted time was awesome and uh she's

695
00:24:00,710 --> 00:23:58,880
appreciate you sharing what you found so

696
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,720
that's good uh appreciate your